James White vs. Bill Shishko Baptism Debate

Posted: February 12, 2009 by Rick Hogaboam in Baptism
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For those of you who are working through the issue of baptism, whether it should be for believers only or for infants of believers, here is a link to a debate between James White and Bill Shishko: http://inthylight.wordpress.com/2006/12/08/james-white-and-bill-shishko-infant-baptism-debate-mp3s/

  1. Rick,
    I think you might mean “infants of believers”?

  2. jason d says:

    every time I read or hear a debate on this I too think it makes sense, but there are just some Scriptures that get in the way. When the paedo referenced Matthew 28:19-20 he said disciples are made by “2 parallel tracks”, 1 thru baptism, the other thru teaching,… I’ve never heard anyone interpret that text like that! :-/ I would’ve asked, “So we don’t teach the baptized then?”

    When he references Acts 2 (the prophecy of Joel) he says it refers to physical children. I would ask, “Does that mean the physical babies of believers have the Holy Spirit poured out on them?” He says he gets this understanding from Isaiah 44:3-4 where it says, ”I [God] will pour my Spirit upon your offspring…” He takes that to mean infants, but how can infants fulfill what happens just two verses later, ”This one will say, ‘I am the Lord’s,’”? That sounds like a profession of faith 🙂

    Interestingly too he says whatever the household did would have been done by the rest of the house (cause he said that was the pattern in that region during that time), so it should follow that since the head repented/believed then was baptized then the rest should too? Sounds like the guy shot himself in the foot.

    He keeps asking, “If there has been a change in the dealing of households in the New Covenant then it should be clear and it is not”.

    Jesus says in Luke 12:51-53:

    Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For from now on in ONE HOUSE there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

    (or Matthew 10:34-37) Seems like the gospel divides not unites households :-/

    “For whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.” – Mark 3:35

    “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” – John 1:12-13

    There ya go Pastor Shishko 🙂

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